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Curious Thinkers 25: Four Takeaways Shaping the Future of Finance

Last month, we welcomed over 200 clients and partners from across banking, fintech, and payments to Curious Thinkers 2025, our annual event.

The two-day experience invited clients and partners to step back from day-to-day pressures and explore the evolving relationship between humans and technology. Across keynotes, panels, and immersive sessions, discussions moved beyond the next trend or product to the bigger question: how can we build a digital future grounded in trust, empathy, and shared progress?

From artificial intelligence (AI) and identity to leadership and collaboration, the summit revealed four defining themes shaping the road ahead: AI with Purpose, Trust as Advantage, Human Leadership, and Collective Progress.

1. Using AI Responsibly and with Purpose

Artificial intelligence dominated the conversation as a powerful, immediate force reshaping the way we work, connect, and make decisions. The focus has shifted from what’s possible to what’s responsible: how can we harness AI’s potential while managing the risks it creates?

AI is already transforming fraud detection, compliance, and customer experience, unlocking new efficiency and insight, but its value depends on the strength of the systems behind it. This includes the integrity of data, the ethics guiding design, and the governance that ensures accountability. In other words, the race is not to move faster, but to move smarter.

Brad Daffy, Partner at KPMG, noted that while 42% of U.S. organisations already use agentic AI systems to automate workflows across customer service, software development and compliance, accountability remains a key concern.

He also raised that confidence in AI is low locally, with only 36% of Australian’s willing to trust it.

The leaders best positioned to succeed are those who balance ambition with awareness, pairing innovation with a mindset of curious caution. They recognise that sustainable progress requires both speed and control, ensuring AI enhances human decision-making rather than replacing it.

2. Rebuilding Trust Through Payments, Data, and Digital Identity

The conversations at Curious Thinkers underscored a shared reality: consumer confidence has been shaken by the industrial scale of scams, fragmented identity systems, and the erosion of digital privacy.

Sue-Lin Wong, award winning journalist, host of Scam Inc. & Asia Correspondent for the Economist, revealed that scam networks now rival the illegal drug trade, with an estimated global impact of over $500 billion.

Rebuilding that trust is now a collective priority. The path forward lies in creating a more secure, interoperable, and human-centred trust architecture that brings payments, data, and identity together. The convergence of these systems is already underway, paving the way for user-controlled digital identities and verifiable credentials that protect consumers without creating friction.

Marie Austenaa, Head of Digital Identity, Europe, Visa, pointed to the Europe’s eIDAS 2.0 framework as a model for interoperable identity systems.

The Hon. Victor Dominello projected that in Australia, a national digital ID framework could unlock $19–32 billion in annual productivity gains.

Such frameworks have the power to transform the experience of both customers and institutions, replacing cumbersome verification processes with seamless, secure authentication. They also create the foundation for a more resilient digital economy, where security and convenience can finally coexist.

For financial institutions, this shift represents both a challenge and a competitive opportunity. In a world where trust itself has become scarce, being seen as transparent, ethical, and protective of customer well-being is a brand advantage in its own right.

3. The Value of Human Leadership in a Digital World

Beneath the layers of technology and transformation, Curious Thinkers 2025 returned time and again to a single truth: progress is human.

Leaders today are operating in an era defined by complexity and constant change. There is a need for a new kind of leadership that prioritises empathy, resilience, and purpose alongside performance. The ability to connect meaningfully, inspire trust, and foster psychological safety within teams is no longer optional; it’s a strategic capability.

Dr. Adam Fraser, Founder of The Evolution Lab, highlighted the toll of digital transformation on frontline staff, including secondary traumatic stress. Fraser advised leaders to advocate for “psychological first aid” and support emotional wellbeing in the workplace.

Equally, the customer experience has emerged as the ultimate differentiator. In a world of near-instant payments and intelligent automation, it’s emotion that drives loyalty. Organisations that design around human needs, feelings, and expectations are those best placed to stand out in an increasingly commoditised market.

As the pace of change accelerates, so too does the pressure on people. The discussions highlighted a growing awareness of the human toll of digital transformation, from burnout to decision fatigue. Investing in wellbeing, emotional intelligence, and culture isn’t a “soft” initiative; it’s the bedrock of sustainable growth.

4. Driving Growth Through Collaboration

Perhaps the most urgent takeaway is that no organisation can navigate this transformation alone. The challenges facing the payments ecosystem have outgrown the capacity of individual players.

Collaboration has shifted from being a strategic option to an operational necessity. The future will be built on shared infrastructure, collective intelligence, and cross-sector partnerships that balance innovation with inclusion. This ecosystem mindset is already evident in global initiatives that blend public policy, private investment, and regulatory design — and it’s gaining momentum in Australia.

Marie Austenaa described the EU’s digital identity pilots as examples of successful public-private co-creation. Breaking down silos and aligning around common standards will be critical to the next phase of industry progress.

Looking Ahead: Turning Shared Insight into Collective Action

The future of payments will be defined not by how quickly technology evolves, but by how responsibly and collaboratively we use it.

As AI, data, and digital identity continue to reshape the landscape, the real measure of progress will be trust. Trust in systems, in institutions, and in each other. By leading with purpose, empathy, and partnership, the industry can move beyond adaptation to true transformation.

CDR, AI & Identity: My thoughts on an insightful two days Intersekt23

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Well, a whirlwind few days in Melbourne for Intersekt23. This year I thought I’d put some of my thoughts down on paper to share. Tried to keep it short but there was so much content ?

Scraping v CDR

The CDR sparked significant discussions over the course of two days. There was no mistaking the significance when I saw The Hon. Stephen Jones take the stage – it was evident he was about to announce something. True enough, the unveiling of a discussion paper advocating for the banning of screen scraping lived up to the anticipation. Given his previous discussions on the matter, the release was not unexpected, making it only a question of timing.

This indicates promising progress ahead. The Government views the CDR as a tool with the potential to significantly decrease scams and financial crimes, which currently costs the Australian economy nearly $3 billion a year. His words were very clear… “Screen scraping runs counter to the goals of CDR.” While complexities will arise for organisations currently using scraping, embracing the CDR is the optimal path for consumers seeking a secure and trustworthy method to share their data.

However, expediting adoption entails more than just prohibiting scraping. Given its nature as a “consumer” data right, it’s logical to assume we should have a means to measure the number of consumers who are actively sharing their data via the CDR.  Presently, our metrics encompass data holders and their up time, but the absence of information regarding the volume of consumers engaging with the CDR is perplexing. As Peter Drucker says, “if you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it,” so what gives? 

Then there are the challenges organisations encounter trying to get accredited, whether they’re going through direct channels or via access models. On one hand, there’s an understanding of the necessity to safeguard consumers, but on the flip side, certain requirements placed on organisations such as “adequate” insurance requirements can often lead to them being excluded from the CDR ecosystem. Finding the right balance is crucial to ensure the ecosystem’s growth and, ultimately, to increase the number of consumers who feel comfortable sharing their data.

“We need more CDR use cases!” Really? 

A prevalent theme I heard across numerous sessions, emphasised the need for “more use cases” beyond just Lending, Personal Financial Management (PFMs), and Product comparison. ? Perhaps this sentiment arises from a lack of awareness, but upon closer examination of organisations already using CDR Open Banking, you come to realise that we in fact have a number of use cases!

  • Climate change: calculate carbon emissions from bank transactions – Greener
  • Wealth management: investment and financial advisory services – Bell Potter Securities
  • Micro Investing: calculate round ups on everyday transactions to invest – Blossom App
  • Tax: Property investment tax tools – TaxTank
  • Property management: tools for property managers – PropertyMe
  • Collections: create payment plans to optimise repayments – Panthera Finance
  • Charity: round ups on everyday transactions to make a donation – PokitPal
  • Recycling: account verification to deposit funds – TOMRA
  • Accounting: software for accountants to manage their client’s books – Olivs

Beyond that, the use of CDR data for Lending can be extended beyond the credit application process. This includes using the CDR to understand a customer’s financial position to provide more contextually relevant products, and monitoring for changes in financial position that could indicate financial hardship. 

And as Jake Osborne from Lendela said in his “Fireside Chat: CDR and Life Events,” … “while we often think about building new products, CDR can also be used for improving processes.”

Many of the organisations currently using Open Banking do so via the CDR representative model through intermediaries who are Accredited Data Recipients. If you’re looking for use cases, have a look at who these organisations are.

Scott Farrell from King & Wood Mallesons in his talk on Fintech Next: People, Value, Trust” elaborated on what he saw as the “why” of CDR. He broke it down into 4 main constructs that included Competition, Innovation, Financial Inclusion and Consumer Protection. In my mind this was a simple and clear way to articulate it. He continued by emphasising that “information” and “money” should be considered the same thing. I guess the saying “time is money” can also be extend to “information is money”. So being able to control your own information and knowing who and how it’s being used should be important to all consumers. Just look at all the social media platforms we use like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter (errr “X”) – do we know how our data is being used? And how much money is being made off our information?

As you delve deeper, the significance of consent in relation to information becomes increasingly apparent. This point was highlighted during the panel discussion on “The Convergence of Data, Identity, and Payments,” featuring Damir Ćuća (Basiq), Nathan Churchward (Cuscal), Clare Rhodes (Identitii) & Josh Read (IDVerse).

The three fundamental components – Data, Identity and Payments – are integral to any financial services application we engage with. But these are often looked at in silos which is even more pronounced given there are 3 separate regulations/industry initiatives impacting these areas – CDR for Data, NPP for Payments, and TDIF for Identity. Consumer consent serves as a key foundation. Establishing consent as the interconnected layer that links these three areas holds utmost importance.

But what does it mean for the consumer? Different consent processes for different processes in the same app? That’s not an interconnected experience. For example when PayTo proliferates, there will be consumer friction. What’s the experience on an app when (1) I need to verify myself (one consent), (2) I want to share my data via CDR (second consent) and then (3) I want to set up a payment with PayTo (third consent)? Let’s think about the consumer in all of this. Can I just give you consent once?

If as Scott Farrell said, information is money, give me a good digital experience when it comes to managing my information! And when Scott was asked what he would do if he could wave a magic wand on the CDR and do whatever he wanted, his answer was … “Weave digital Identity into the CDR and Payments. That’s the missing pillar.” And we come full circle. Data, Payments and Identity.  

Right product, right channel, right time

As a marketing practitioner the concept of a consumer getting the right product, through the right channel and at the right time is the holy grail. I talk about this often in my teaching at Sydney University and I’ve often referred to it as the “golden triangle”. Get it right and you’ve hit the mark. Easier said than done. You could have the best product, but if it’s not available in the right channel and at the right time, it’s meaningless. 

The session from Visa’s Matthew Wood on Emerging Payment Trends in Asia Pacific” highlighted how the lines of finance are blurring. Product alone is no longer enough, it’s about distribution. Embedding finance in customer journeys is critical for success. When it comes to e-commerce, social media has played a big role in driving take up – think influencers, think embedded stores within social media platforms. The next phase? “Commerce will have its ChatGPT moment”! 

The panel on How Open Data is Shaping the Future of Personal Finance” talked about a similar theme with respect to context. Jason Leong (PocketSmith), Simone Jemmett (Experian), Dan Jovevski (WeMoney) & Adam Gulden (Moneythor) talked about the importance of contextual relevance when it comes to personal finance. If you’re going to make a decision about your personal finances, it has to be contextually relevant – right time, right place, right moment. That’s the “value exchange”. If you get this right it will lead to better engagement and uptake. That to me is the “golden triangle”.

A few other things I found interesting

AI & Data Hacks
AI. Still mind boggling what is possible. In the session on Data Hacks to Banking Collapses: What Have We Learnt in the Last 12 Months,” Alisdair Faulkner from Darwinium said that “any digital signal a human creates can be accessed and replicated by AI. Voice. Keystrokes. Visual. This is scary!? Dan Draper from CipherStash ended the panel with “Shit happens. Don’t think it won’t happen to you?” 

Ethics
Judo Bank’s Joseph Healy in the session on Ethics in Fintech” talked about the need to be a values driven organisation. Numerous fintechs set out their their journey with a purpose and set of values in mind, but as they grow, the challenge becomes hiring the right people and consistently viewing decisions through the lens of these values. This becomes even more critical when business choices could potentially impact those very values. From my perspective having the right leaders who share the same values play a critical role in maintaining accountability and staying steadfast amidst external influences.

DIY or Partner?
In the session with James Read from Send Payments on How can Fintechs unlock success? Innovate of Integrate” he talked about the challenge of whether you should build or partner? This can be tied what your exit strategy is. If you’re aiming for a trade sale then maybe innovating and owning your own stack is more important. But if you’re aiming for an IPO then maybe partnering and acquiring customers rapidly is the focus. In that same session Imelda Newton from Tic:Toc looked at it from a different lens. You also have to consider internal development teams wanting to build things themselves but P&L owners wanting to derisk delivery and potentially wanting to involve 3rd parties to some degree. Getting that balance right can be challenging.

Digital Identity
Lastly, a notable facet of digital identity that caught my attention was the discussion panel titled “Digital Identity: Defining Excellence and the Path Forward.” During this panel, Jason-Urranndulla Davis from Hold Access delved into scenarios where individuals face a significant challenge due to a “lack of identity” resulting from insufficient documentation. This particularly impacts First Nations people and those with limited documentation, posing substantial barriers to accessing essential services. Thus, the question arises: How can we ensure that promoting inclusivity remains a central focus when implementing any changes to the 100-point identity verification system which is currently outdated and not fit for purpose?

The After party

And #Intersekt23 wouldn’t be complete without Basiq’s After Party. Thanks to everyone who attended. It’s always great to have the opportunity to bring people together. Here’s the photo gallery from the night.

And a final word to Rehan Mark D’Almeida and the team at FinTech Australia. Another great job to you and team!

Authored by: Victor Leung, Chief Marketing Officer Basiq

Nice digital identity – now what? with Steven


Steven Bankston, Visa’s Senior Director of Product Development, talking to Cuscal’s clients about digital identity at Curious Thinkers 2018 in Sydney.

Watch the video to learn about the complexities and challenges of digital identity. What it is and how is it formed. Steven shares what we can learn from GDPR and PSD2 and the different regulatory challenges in this ever-evolving, global issue. He also discusses how collaboration can help financial institutions and others capitalise on the opportunities digital identity brings.